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This "easy" problem is so easy, in a certain sense, that it tempts us to a particular class of simple strategies where we literally specify a model of the world and say what diamond is. \n\nThose strategies seem like an obvious dead end in the real case, and I think everyone is in agreement about that. They also seem like an almost-as-obvious dead end even in the diamond maximization case.\n\nThat's fine, but it means that the real justification is quite different from the simple story offered here. Everyone at MIRI I have talked to has fallen back to some variant of this more subtle justification when pressed. I don't know anywhere that the real justification has been fleshed out in any publicly available writing. I would be game for a public discussion about it.\n\nIt does seem like there is some real problem about getting agents to actually care about stuff in the real world. This just seems like a very strange way of describing or attacking the problem.', metaText: '', isTextLoaded: 'true', isSubscribedToDiscussion: 'false', isSubscribedToUser: 'false', isSubscribedAsMaintainer: 'false', discussionSubscriberCount: '0', maintainerCount: '0', userSubscriberCount: '0', lastVisit: '2016-02-26 10:58:32', hasDraft: 'false', votes: [], voteSummary: 'null', muVoteSummary: '0', voteScaling: '0', currentUserVote: '-2', voteCount: '0', lockedVoteType: '', maxEditEver: '0', redLinkCount: '0', lockedBy: '', lockedUntil: '', nextPageId: '', prevPageId: '', usedAsMastery: 'false', proposalEditNum: '0', permissions: { edit: { has: 'false', reason: 'You don't have domain permission to edit this page' }, proposeEdit: { has: 'true', reason: '' }, delete: { has: 'false', reason: 'You don't have domain permission to delete this page' }, comment: { has: 'false', reason: 'You can't comment in this domain because you are not a member' }, proposeComment: { has: 'true', reason: '' } }, summaries: {}, creatorIds: [ 'PaulChristiano' ], childIds: [], parentIds: [ 'ontology_identification', '7g' ], commentIds: [], questionIds: [], tagIds: [], relatedIds: [], markIds: [], explanations: [], learnMore: [], requirements: [], subjects: [], lenses: [], lensParentId: '', pathPages: [], learnMoreTaughtMap: {}, learnMoreCoveredMap: {}, learnMoreRequiredMap: {}, editHistory: {}, domainSubmissions: {}, answers: [], answerCount: '0', commentCount: '0', newCommentCount: '0', linkedMarkCount: '0', changeLogs: [ { likeableId: '0', likeableType: 'changeLog', myLikeValue: '0', likeCount: '0', dislikeCount: '0', likeScore: '0', individualLikes: [], id: '4487', pageId: '1fq', userId: 'PaulChristiano', edit: '1', type: 'newEdit', createdAt: '2015-12-28 06:33:59', auxPageId: '', oldSettingsValue: '', newSettingsValue: '' }, { likeableId: '0', likeableType: 'changeLog', myLikeValue: '0', likeCount: '0', dislikeCount: '0', likeScore: '0', individualLikes: [], id: '4484', pageId: '1fq', userId: 'PaulChristiano', edit: '0', type: 'newParent', createdAt: '2015-12-28 06:23:23', auxPageId: 'ontology_identification', oldSettingsValue: '', newSettingsValue: '' }, { likeableId: '0', likeableType: 'changeLog', myLikeValue: '0', likeCount: '0', dislikeCount: '0', likeScore: '0', individualLikes: [], id: '4486', pageId: '1fq', userId: 'PaulChristiano', edit: '0', type: 'newParent', createdAt: '2015-12-28 06:23:23', auxPageId: '7g', oldSettingsValue: '', newSettingsValue: '' } ], feedSubmissions: [], searchStrings: {}, hasChildren: 'false', hasParents: 'true', redAliases: {}, improvementTagIds: [], nonMetaTagIds: [], todos: [], slowDownMap: 'null', speedUpMap: 'null', arcPageIds: 'null', contentRequests: {} }